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Comedy Update from Rob

A few years ago I posted that I had taken a standup comedy course. I didn’t do much with the class after I took the course. I did another course on Improv with Michael Malone, but didn’t do anything with it. However, I’ve decided to start to try to get up on a regular basis. If you are in Indianapolis and want to know when I’m going to be doing comedy (so you can come laugh at me), I’ve created a mailing list you can sign up for at I’ll use that list only for sending out comedy updates. This Wednesday (April 17, 2013) I’ll be at Morty’s Comedy Joint at 8PM if you want to come.

Announcing the Comedy for Professional Presenters Workshop

I’m bearing down on two weeks from the first ever Comedy for Professional Presenters workshop – and I’m excited because it’s been a journey to find the right people, the right place, and the right time to help my fellow presenters learn how to integrate comedy into their work. You can find out more about the workshop at but I’m getting a bit ahead of myself, let me first start with what I mean by professional presenters.

Professional Presenters

Sure, you can imagine Tony Robbins or former President Bill Clinton when I say professional presenter – but that’s a pretty narrow view. I view a professional presenter as anyone who has to present to any group of two or more people for their job. This definition includes sales people, marketing folks, and even those in full time ministry. It’s nearly everyone who works in a professional setting. Whether you present every week, once a month, or just once in a while, a professional presenter has to communicate with spoken word.

Fear Not

Even with 20 years of public speaking there is still the odd occasion when I get a little anxious before I get up to speak. Sometimes it’s the size of the audience, sometimes the make-up of the audience, but honestly it’s mostly about what’s going on in my head. No matter what has me sideways, I know that a good laugh will fix it. We’ve heard that “laughter is the best medicine.” That applies to more than just physical ailments.

If you can convince an audience to laugh, you’ve created a connection that you can use to communicate your real message. Every good speaker, nervous or not, will seek out the laugh to help build that connection. We’ve heard the over simplified “start with a joke” advice which is a good start – but how do you get comfortable with the group with a single joke? You need to be able to weave it into the conversation so they know you’re there with them.

My Journey

As I said, I’ve been speaking professionally for more than 20 years. In that time I’ve spoken at dozens if not hundreds of conferences all over the world. So last year when I was trying to figure out how to take my presentation skills to the next level, well finding a place to start was a daunting task. Luckily I stumbled across an Introduction to Standup Comedy class at Morty’s Comedy Joint. The instructors, Chris Bowers and Todd McComas were intent on trying to help comedians be better. That’s great, except the kind of comedy that works in a club while folks are drinking and relaxing on a Saturday night isn’t exactly the same kind of comedy that’s appropriate for a professional environment.

During the Introduction to Standup Comedy course I started reading including: The New Comedy Writing Step by Step and Step by Step to Stand-up Comedy
which I blogged about. In short, I was trying to learn what I could about taking comedy and applying it to business – extracting the dark, blue content and reforming it into something that could be used professionally.

I followed this course up with an Improvisation course taught by Michael Malone. Improvisation is about knowing how to make a scene better – and how to be comfortable with being there.

Since late last year my comedy journey had been put on hold until I caught back up with Kate Thomas – one of my fellow students in the Introduction to Standup Comedy class.

Formation of the Workshop

I’ve got a ton of things on my plate right now – that’s pretty normal – but it means that I’m not able to really extend myself into creating a workshop on Comedy for Presenters – without help. When I ran into Kate Thomas at Morty’s one night, we started talking about the course, and what we each wanted to do with the skills. The result was a decision to build a workshop (and our ultimate goal of creating a DVD.) Kate would be the primary author for the content and I would commit to help during the production of the workshop. Kate, by the way, has taught students in the US, Europe, and Asia. There’s no real way to convey the confusion of hearing her say that she taught math to Asian students.

With Kate onboard, Bowers and McComas agreed to join us. That’s the instructors for the workshop – an educator with experience the world over, a 20 year veteran of public speaking, a comedian and educator for the state police, and a motivational speaker and comedian. There’s going to be a crazy amount of experience at educating, presenting, and at comedy assembled to teach the students how to integrate comedy into their presentations.


So on April 21st at Morty’s Comedy Joint at 9AM we’ll start our six hour journey to share our experiences and to teach folks how to be professional presenters who’ve integrated comedy. The cost for the workshop is $99 and seats are limited. Go to now to get your ticket – before they’re sold out.

The New Comedy Writing Step by Step

Book Review-The New Comedy Writing Step by Step

The New Comedy Writing Step by Step by Gene Perret is a great book that helped moved me from beginner to intermediate. I loved Greg Dean’s book, it got things started. However, there were some great exercises to help kick start the writing process in this book. Unlike Dean’s definitions, Perret’s definition for what makes a joke is a bit broader – “A joke is anything that gets a laugh.” That definition was helpful to allow me to break out from the formula provided by Dean and move into other kinds and types of joke structures. I really appreciated Perret’s perspective that comedy can be taught. There are folks in the comedy community – particularly those who learned from the school of hard knocks who don’t believe that comedy can be taught – or learned from techniques.

I particularly realized that some of the things that make people laugh are just funny observations. For instance, men buy shoes based on type (sandal, boot, tennis shoe, dress shoe). Women buy shoes by outfit or color – they’re trying to match an outfit. In text this is boring. In a room it never fails to get a laugh as people realize how men and women are different in ways that we rarely think about.

The other BIG thing for me out of this book were ideas for getting the ball rolling on writing comedy. For instance, captioning photos with funny captions. You can go on Flickr and download a random set of community commons images and caption them. It’s great fun because you never know what sort of caption you might come up with. For instance what caption would you put on:


© CC Alexander von Halem

I captioned that one “God’s Grenade.” There are other silly little ideas for exercises – but they did get things going.

There’s a ton of other good things like awareness that jokes release tention, ideas for focusing on emotion, etc. If you’ve got the basics and you’re looking for a book to move you forward, The New Comedy Writing Step-By-Step may be for you.

Step by Step to Stand-up Comedy

Book Review-Step by Step to Stand-up Comedy

What makes a joke? Well according to Greg Dean, it’s surprise. In Step by Step to Stand-up Comedy Dean lays out how jokes are fundamentally about causing the audience expect one thing while delivering another. Of course,what you surprise them with must be related to what they assumed. In short form, a joke is two stories that are connected. The trick is to get the audience to think of the first story while the comedian finishes with the second. While I think that there are other definitions for what makes up a joke – and even more about what makes funny – I like Dean’s definition because it’s easy to work with and create material. You take anything that can mean two things and you can make a joke out of it.

Dean walks you through a process of creating jokes by looking for the places where you can have two premises that can come out of one idea. The process is somewhat mechanical – but that’s sort of what you want when you’re beginning. It is something that you can teach, practice, and perfect.

Beyond the introduction to jokes and joke writing are guides for assembling the jokes into a routine, practicing, rehersing, and performing. These sections are very helpful if you need to know how to practice and prepare – for me the material was mostly review since I do that sort of thing for my regular presentations. So while the material was good, it wasn’t new to me.

From my perspective this was singlehandedly the most effective joke writing book for beginners. I’d say that this provided tons of insight into the process that I can use – even if I don’t follow the process precisely. If you’re trying to figure out how to write jokes Step by Step to Stand-up Comedy is a great place to start.

I am a Comedian.

I mean it, I am a comedian. I’m not speaking figuratively. While I can’t call myself a professional comedian yet, because I’ve not been paid solely to be funny, I can say I’m officially a comedian. Let me give you the back story, what it was like, and what it means.

Back Story

Several weeks ago I made a decision to take a comedy course. The decision was driven by a desire to get better at my presentations. However, there wasn’t a specific thought in my head to find a comedy class. It just came across my desk and I decided to jump on the opportunity. The idea for me was that the presentations that I’ve seen that were the best were ones where comedy was woven in. I used comedy in my presentations – many folks commented about my presentations being fun and humorous. However, for me I always felt like my comedy was haphazard. I felt like my comedy was catching 30% of my audience – if that. Of course, each joke caught a different 30% so I’d cover most of the audience.

So I paid for my course at Morty’s Comedy Joint. The facility is a little more than a mile from the house so it’s really convenient.

As I have told people about the course one of the most persistent statements has been “I could never do that.” I’ll honestly say that I don’t fully understand the comment. I understand the fear of being in front of people (better now than before as I’ll explain shortly) but my desire for new experiences and learning is more powerful than my fear. When I paid for the course I really wasn’t thinking about the fear of being on stage – I was thinking about the new learning I would get.

The Experience

The first experience was a little concerning. It didn’t feel like things were put together well. I found out later that this was their first course so it’s no wonder why it was a bit iffy at first. Todd McComas was our first instructor. He’s been doing comedy for a bit more than a year professionally – which as an instructor initially made me uncomfortable. However, Todd’s a great guy and good at putting things together. The second week Chris Bowers (who is one of the owners of the club) joined us. Bowers gets funny and is always positive. That makes it easy when you’ve got a class of ten people who have no idea what we’re doing.

The groups of folks in the class included an actor, a college professor, a 3rd store stocker for a grocery store, a medical equipment manufacturer buyer, an unemployed former-airline worker, a nurse, and I don’t remember what the rest did. The goals ranged from a being in standup to no goals for the course whatsoever. Some received the course as a gift and others bought it for themselves.

Despite this being the first running of the course things came together and we set to the process of learning the craft.

Joke Writing

First up for the course was joke writing. There were some good exercises to get us started. Stuff like, “things that people don’t know about you” or “things that you think are interesting about you.” From there we would start to create jokes and work that into a bit. I found that the joke writing didn’t really make that much sense at first. I then got the book Step by Step to Stand-Up Comedy by Greg Dean. It provided some structure for joke writing, what makes it funny, what you need to do to write a joke. There’s more to the book than joke writing (I’ll do a book review on it later) but for now that’s the important part. It unlocked a part of my thinking about joke writing. I also found some tips in Comedy Writing Secrets by Mel Helitzer. (Again book review later).

One of the things that Bowers and Todd drove into us was drawing from our own experiences and writing from that – I really appreciate that direction. They also shared that there are really two different ways that people write material. The first way is people write things down everywhere they go. They take funny ideas and experiences and they will later turn them into jokes. The other approach is sitting down and writing material. No one way is right and perhaps everyone does a bit of both. My observation was that I’m a production writer. By that I mean I can write articles, books, etc., by forcing myself to do it. Some people can’t do that. I found that writing jokes wasn’t fundamentally different than writing anything else – at least for me. I can sit down and production write jokes if I need to.

Before I get too far, I should say that comedy is an art form. However, it’s built on a set of fundamental skills and an understanding. I wouldn’t want to minimize the artform by minimizing it to a set of fundamentals any more than I can minimize the work of great painters to paint-by-numbers. The books that I refer to here won’t get you to the level of expertise that a professional comic displays – however, they’ll give you a framework from which to work – which was what I was looking for.

Being on Stage

I honestly didn’t expect to have any trouble being on stage. Speaking a dozen times a year nationally with 2-5 sessions per engagement puts me in front of crowds 30-50 times per year. That’s just the national events. Locally I’ll probablydo another half dozen to a dozen presentations. I really don’t worry about getting on stage any more. If I’m doing presentations for computer topics, it just doesn’t get my heart pumping. I thought that doing five minutes of comedy would be like rolling off a log for me. However, I was wrong.

There were some circumstances before I walked on stage where one of my classmates shared something disturbing with me. I was deeply saddened – and yet I had to partition that off from what I was about to do. In a regular presentation that would have been trivial but it wasn’t this time. I walked on the stage at an open mic with more adreneline pumping through my body than had in years. My feelings clearly did not like my trying to control them. With that much adreniline I knew that I couldn’t trust my sense of timing. I had to read and measure the audience for reactions. I do it all the time as a part of my presentations. In fact, it’s the way I control the timing of my presentations. I got on stage and couldn’t see anyone. You can’t read people’s faces for timing if you can’t see them. If I wasn’t wound enough, I realized that my primary fall back mechanism for managing timing was not going to work. At this point, I dropped into my last possible option which was to plow through the material with whatever I could manage for timing.

That wasn’t going to work anyway but it didn’t help that the mic cord dropped out of the microphone during the high point of the routine. I sort-of recovered. But through the entire thing I couldn’t hear a single laugh. Nothing. It was like I was presenting in a black hole. I couldn’t see anyone. I couldn’t hear anyone.

When I reviewed the audio I found they were laughing – not as loud or as long as I like but they were laughing – and it was my first time ever on stage. Certainly I had room for improvement. Our graduation show was better. You can look at a recording in WMV or MP4 format.

Reading List

Before I go there was a huge reading list for the class. I mentioned two of the books above, but I’ve read several books through the course. Some of them were biographical and some were instructive. A few of these I’ve not quite finished since in six weeks there were seven books I was trying to read. I mentioned the first two instructive ones above, there relisted here for completeness:

On the biographical list are:

In general I listed the instructive books in a recommended reading order. The biographical books you can read in any order though I listed them in a slightly progressive order. I’d say that I personally didn’t get a ton of specific things from the biographical books – but it did give me a flavor for the culture of comedy. This was a lot of reading for the class – and honestly most of it was unassigned. It was what I needed to get my head around what we were doing. The class itself recommended three of the books above – and one more I didn’t read.

The Effort and the Return

The amount of effort I put into the class was certainly more than I expected. Just looking at the reading list you can see that there was a ton of time spent. However, that’s not the whole story. I’d spend another few hours each week working on material, refining it, etc. After the first few weeks I started attending a writers workshop at Morty’s and sitting through the open mic (and performing once). The writers workshop started at 5:30 and the open mic was done by 10:15 or so. If I had to estimate I’d guess the investment was over 100 hours.

The question is, so was it worth it? Did I learn what I set out to learn? The answer is a qualified yes. No six week course no matter how good or how much extra effort you put into it will make you the funniest person alive. I feel like I’ve got the tools I need to make my presentations better. I feel like I can better put toghter jokes for inclusion in my presentations.

Comedy in my Future

One of the questions I get now that the class is over is “Will you keep doing standup comedy?” The answer is I don’t know. I do know that one of the hardest things about comedy is the inability to precisely predict how an audience will react to a joke. There are a ton of subleties that make the joke work or not work – but beyond that the state of the audience (whether they’ve been warmed up or not) and their experience can turn no response into a roar of laughter.

As I have time I’ll try to perfect my delivery skill and work on how to create material that works regardless of the audience. I’m likely to do a few more open mics and I’ll probably try to do some material before my presentations (because I’ll get a lot of time with my target audience that way.) I’m thinking I’ll start a routing 5 minutes before my normal presentation starts.

In short, we’ll see but I expect I’ll continue to work on this for a while.

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